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Posted by PunkJohnnyCash on Jun 23, 2010 in Anarchism | 23 comments

If you follow me around the internet you will know that my anti-government rhetoric is not received well by most conservatives.  It seems that every week I find myself caught up in explaining my stance to another conservative who in turn resorts to ad-hominem attacks, even here on the site.  They often only oppose the welfare programs and call themselves anti-government.  Many are blind to the government they defend. Maybe I was not completely clear on this before so I will attempt to be as clear as possible. I do not support any government at all. That’s right, the absence of government is what I am preaching. Not anti-democrat party rhetoric, not anti-capitalist rhetoric, not anti-socialism rhetoric but outright no government.

This is where the conservative says either: “People are evil and the lack of government is the presence of chaos” or they will say “I like the idea but it is a dream of utopia.”  And to both I say NO. This is not a belief in utopia, it is the acceptance of the flaws of humans. This also rejects the thought that utopia can be obtained. This means that I also do not buy any of the promises for Utopian futures made by politicians on the left and the right as the statist do. I know all are just fiction like any other fantasy world I can imagine. I simply accept that utopia will not be achieved even by killing or caging the people a state assumes prevents utopia. I am not preaching a crime free system. We have never seen that. I simply propose a system where criminals have committed actual criminal acts and not the abstract deviations of the legal norm.

Now to the charge of chaos. I realize that government is not the answer to all the problems of the world. I also admit that anarchism provides no answer. Anarchism is to embrace the reality of the unethical nature of governments. Governments are simply companies who function with coercive means by demanding what they want by threat of force through  military or police forces. I choose to look to structure society in ways outside of government. This is not chaos, this is where most conservatives see the complete hypocrisy of what they preach in my belief.

The conservatives screamed about Health Care saying it was evil socialism. This is just an example of a government assuming power over an industry and maintaining a monopoly with force. The fact is that government has maintained those same coercive monopolies over many industries such as defense. The conservatives are fine with socializing the violence just not the welfare programs.   Some go as far as promoting government power over migration.  I challenge this in that we should have a free market in everything. Any service that is needed from Armies or Police would naturally present opportunity on a free market.  If the conservative truly believes that services are provided better in a free market for a lower price as opposed to state socialism; then why would they ever want their government to socialize violence, force and their safety? This is the true hypocrisy of the American Right. They will seldom stand for Free Markets and will favor many functions they claim the state has a right to socialize. It is often just the ones they feel they will not benefit from like welfare programs that they oppose.

The conservative often becomes confused at this point and starts pointing to the state’s excuse for it’s own existence. The fear mongering comes in and many will preach the need for Police and Military monopolies to be coercively maintained. The conservative often attacks me with some stance that says that people will be killing me and that I am foolish while completely missing the point of all this. Yes! I know people like you exist that focus on hurting others and initiating fights and wars they are often called conservatives (Bush).  I have not claimed I want a world where I would have no defense or safety.  I have simply stated that it should be done on a free market and voluntarily not through coercion.  We must look at concepts of Dispute Resolution Organizations, and such functions being handled as businesses or through voluntary syndicates. If one holds a free market belief then I fail to see how it would be negative to put our safety in the hands of a free market. The conservatives tried to take this stance on health care, but the fact is that they will often find they only use the term “free market” when it suits their stance.  If they truly embraced a ‘free market’ we would have an anarchist party not a conservative party. If we receive a better product on a free market with further advancements then why would our safety be something we would want to keep out of the free market? That seems like the most dangerous thing one could do if the free market truly renders better services than the states’ socialism or the states’ corporatist monopoly.

Much of this is over simplification, and I would strongly suggest looking into further readings on free markets and market anarchism:

The Ludwig VonMises Institute
The Molinari Institute
Agorism

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FRANKEN, DURBIN, OTHERS INTRODUCE LEGISLATION TO RESTORE FAIRNESS IN STUDENT LENDING BILL WILL MAKE PRIVATE STUDENT LOANS DISCHARGEABLE IN BANKRUPTCY.

States News Service April 16, 2010 WASHINGTON — The following information was released by Minnesota Senator Al Franken:

U.S. Sens. Al Franken (D-Minn.), Dick Durbin (D-Ill.), and Sheldon Whitehouse (D-R.I.) joined U.S. Reps. Steve Cohen (D-Tenn.) and Danny Davis (D-Ill.) to introduce legislation in both the Senate and the House that will restore fairness in student lending by treating privately issued student loans in bankruptcy the same as other types of private debt.

“In this economy, we want to be encouraging Minnesotans to invest in their education and their future,” said Sen. Franken. “That’s why it is more important than ever for people to be able to get a fresh start after financial problems related to private student loans.” Before changes were made to the bankruptcy code in 2005, only government issued or guaranteed student loans were protected during bankruptcy. This protection has been in place since 1978 and was intended to safeguard federal investments in higher education. This bill would restore the bankruptcy law, as it pertains to private student loans, to the language that was in place before 2005, so that privately issued student loans will once again be dischargeable in bankruptcy. go to site citi student loans

“The high interest rates on private student loans have made them incredibly profitable for loan companies and saddled students with crushing debt,” said Sen. Durbin. “Two weeks ago, Congress ended a $6 billion subsidy to banks and companies, like Sallie Mae, which reaped the benefit of student loans while taxpayers assumed all the risk. Today’s bill takes an additional step toward restoring fairness in student lending, by placing student loan companies in the same position as virtually all other private lenders.” Sen. Durbin first introduced this legislation in June 2007. site citi student loans

For the past decade, private student loans have been the fastest growing and most profitable part of the student loan industry. According to the College Board, roughly 15% of total student borrowing is in private student loans. Ten years ago, only 5% of total education loan volume was in private loans. The interest rates and fees on private loans can be as onerous as credit cards. There are reports of private loans with interest rates of at least 15% and higher rates are not unheard of. This can place a tremendous burden on student borrowers with private loans and unlike federal student loans, there is no government-imposed loan limit on private loans and no public regulation over the terms and cost of these loans.

Private loans involve only private profit and do not have the protections that government borrowers enjoy, including caps on interest rates, flexible repayment options, and limited cancellation rights.

There are very few types of debts that the bankruptcy law subjects to a different standard, allowing for discharge in only the most extreme circumstances. For example, the bankruptcy code makes it especially difficult for people to escape child support responsibilities, overdue taxes, and criminal fines. Privately issued student loans should not be on that list.

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  • http://twitter.com/mattress Matt

    I used to be a conservative. Once I became a libertarian it didn't take me long to realize that true libertarianism is anarchism. As an anarchist I still hold doubts as to whether anarchism can actually work/sustain itself. Of course it's fairly obvious that our current system is also unable to sustain itself.

  • http://twitter.com/mattress Matt

    I used to be a conservative. Once I became a libertarian it didn’t take me long to realize that true libertarianism is anarchism. As an anarchist I still hold doubts as to whether anarchism can actually work/sustain itself. Of course it’s fairly obvious that our current system is also unable to sustain itself.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=25704089 David Zemens Ⓐ

    I get the same blow-off from conservatives most of the time. Not as much on the left, unless I start arguing against health-care – then they call me a "conservative" or a spoiled little suburbanite or something like that…

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=25704089 David Zemens Ⓐ

    I get the same blow-off from conservatives most of the time. Not as much on the left, unless I start arguing against health-care – then they call me a “conservative” or a spoiled little suburbanite or something like that…

  • The Jimmy Z Show

    Sorry. There is no place for anarchy in the US. Ptooey.

  • The Jimmy Z Show

    Sorry. There is no place for anarchy in the US. Ptooey.

    • http://twitter.com/mattress Matt

      Obviously, if there was anarchy there wouldn’t be a US anymore :p

      • http://www.gonzotimes.com/ PunkJohnnyCash

        Yeah I’d imagine those states would be a little less united if there were no more states.

  • http://twitter.com/mattress Matt

    Obviously, if there was anarchy there wouldn't be a US anymore :p

  • http://www.gonzotimes.com/ PunkJohnnyCash

    Yeah I'd imagine those states would be a little less united if there were no more states.

  • http://twitter.com/tahDeetz Deetz

    As a libertarian/conservative, PJC & I see eye to eye on many issues as well as finding ourselves bitterly opposed on others. PJC actually brings his evidence to the table for debate & is no slouch.I never would have thought I would ever see a burgeoning movement of intellectually honest anarchists, & that is a very good thing.That being said, the left teaches us the valuable lesson of how they took over the democrat party. It's how & why the SDS split up & different factions decided on different methods to foment the change they wanted. Half remained with the violent revolution mindset & the other half sit in power today.I think we could all agree on an enumerated powers law in order to start the long process of chopping Fedzilla down to a whisper of what is is today.Until we get to that point, our disagreements are just merely very important intellectual exercises, imho.tD

  • http://twitter.com/tahDeetz Deetz

    As a libertarian/conservative, PJC & I see eye to eye on many issues as well as finding ourselves bitterly opposed on others.

    PJC actually brings his evidence to the table for debate & is no slouch.

    I never would have thought I would ever see a burgeoning movement of intellectually honest anarchists, & that is a very good thing.

    That being said, the left teaches us the valuable lesson of how they took over the democrat party. It’s how & why the SDS split up & different factions decided on different methods to foment the change they wanted. Half remained with the violent revolution mindset & the other half sit in power today.

    I think we could all agree on an enumerated powers law in order to start the long process of chopping Fedzilla down to a whisper of what is is today.

    Until we get to that point, our disagreements are just merely very important intellectual exercises, imho.

    tD

    • http://www.gonzotimes.com/ PunkJohnnyCash

      I would not complain about trimming laws, I just do not see the state as being capable of trimming itself down. I tend to believe that the most powerful change will be found in Agorism.

      I am more of the belief that we will have to form stateless solutions and free market systems outside of the state and continue to educate others on the criminal nature of the state until the free market overpowers the state monopoly. At that point the criminals of the state can be put on trial for their crimes which stem from the very nature of their ‘jobs’.

      I will not oppose laws to trim the empire. I will most likely vote for minarchists and anti-war pro-migrant politicans.

    • http://www.gonzotimes.com/ PunkJohnnyCash

      By the way, thanks for the good stuff you said about me too man.

      • http://twitter.com/tahDeetz Deetz

        Yes, the state is wholly incapable of trimming itself, although a scant few governors, 1 or 2 senators & a few representatives are walking the talk. That will unfortunately, be a very long row to hoe.

        I think once the dems implode, an ‘actual’ intellectual debate/argument will take place between libertarians & conservatives. Fearless thinkers like yourself will lead that charge.

        I sincerely appreciate a difference of opinion that isn’t immediately dismissed out of hand as racist or being a tool of corporate America.

        The utter dismissal of reasoned debate was the one aspect of the Obama election cycle that seriously perked my antennae & thus scared the living piss outta me. Shouting passed one another can devolve quickly into a place that is contrary to our ideals.

        The manner in which the left has maintained it’s ideological rigidity is something to behold as well as fear, especially since they are expanding their dissimulated message rapidly across the globe.

        If I were dictator, Anarcho-Capitalistism/Agorism would be by Utopia. However, I still defer to the Founders’ original vision of a Republic for all.

        I believe once the dummasses are intellectually curious & decide to look behind the pap that parades as news, our competing values of self-governance will become the conventional common-sense & opposite sides of the debate. I look forward to that day.

        tD

  • http://www.gonzotimes.com/ PunkJohnnyCash

    I would not complain about trimming laws, I just do not see the state as being capable of trimming itself down. I tend to believe that the most powerful change will be found in Agorism.I am more of the belief that we will have to form stateless solutions and free market systems outside of the state and continue to educate others on the criminal nature of the state until the free market overpowers the state monopoly. At that point the criminals of the state can be put on trial for their crimes which stem from the very nature of their 'jobs'.I will not oppose laws to trim the empire. I will most likely vote for minarchists and anti-war pro-migrant politicans.

  • http://www.gonzotimes.com/ PunkJohnnyCash

    By the way, thanks for the good stuff you said about me too man.

  • http://twitter.com/tahDeetz Deetz

    Yes, the state is wholly incapable of trimming itself, although a scant few governors, 1 or 2 senators & a few representatives are walking the talk. That will unfortunately, be a very long row to hoe.I think once the dems implode, an 'actual' intellectual debate/argument will take place between libertarians & conservatives. Fearless thinkers like yourself will lead that charge.I sincerely appreciate a difference of opinion that isn't immediately dismissed out of hand as racist or being a tool of corporate America.The utter dismissal of reasoned debate was the one aspect of the Obama election cycle that seriously perked my antennae & thus scared the living piss outta me. Shouting passed one another can devolve quickly into a place that is contrary to our ideals.The manner in which the left has maintained it's ideological rigidity is something to behold as well as fear, especially since they are expanding their dissimulated message rapidly across the globe.If I were dictator, Anarcho-Capitalistism/Agorism would be by Utopia. However, I still defer to the Founders' original vision of a Republic for all.I believe once the dummasses are intellectually curious & decide to look behind the pap that parades as news, our competing values of self-governance will become the conventional common-sense & opposite sides of the debate. I look forward to that day.tD

  • MAx1640

    The 1st imperative of a true conservative is CONSERVATION; conservation of water, air, land, and living resources. If your issue does not meet that criteria, we just don't give a damn about it!

  • MAx1640

    The 1st imperative of a true conservative is CONSERVATION; conservation of water, air, land, and living resources. If your issue does not meet that criteria, we just don’t give a damn about it!

    • Anonymous

      Which means, supposed USA “conservatives” are actually the opposite of  real conservatives. The only things they really seem to be concerned with are money and property….well, that and oppressing anyone who isn’t a white guy…

  • Anonymous

    I fail to see how a free market would offer any true solutions; perhaps a free market added to a socialist/communist/syndicalist/green anarchist society would function, but on it’s own a free market seems just as dangerous as any other market, really.

    • Anonymous

      And a capitalist free market would have the potential to be even more dangerous than a market with restrictions; too much potential for corruption. I could see it being even more exploitative then what we have now…