The end of politics as usual: The case for welcoming racists and gun nuts into Occupy
I find this woman fascinating. She has expressed an opinion that has been labeled anti-Semitic and probably is. Should she be expelled from the Occupy movement? Should she have lost her job?
Assume, for a moment, that she really is an egregious anti-Semite. What then should we do with her?
Then there was the guy who walked through an Occupation site in Seattle with a rifle. This also occurred in Atlanta (pictured above).
The actions and statements of these individuals raise some difficult problems for the Occupy movement that will have to be dealt with sooner or later — perhaps in the form of proposals by well-meaning but misguided folks who do not want their protest associated with that of racists, and the like. I like the exchange (below) between three folks with differing opinions on the significance of the guy in Atlanta showing up to an Occupy site with his rifle:
shoelessjoe2555: so what is he going to do if they kick them out? shoot the police? How is that peaceful or helpful at all? what a dumbass
420PATROCK: @shoelessjoe2555 You Obviously don’t like freedom. If I am using my 1st amendment and was physically forced to leave I’d be fighting till death! I SUPPORT THE 2ND AMENDMENT OF THE U.S. CONSTITUTION! WE ALL SHOULD!! Can’t believe the ignorance of my fellow citizens!
shoelessjoe2555: @420PATROCK LOL. its not about the first ammendment. You can use the first ammendment, but that has nothing to do where your BODY PHYSICALLY IS!! IF it is illegal to gather in streets, that has nothing to do with your 1st ammendment right to free speech. No one is trying to silence you. There just telling you that you must respect the other laws as well. People are emotional, and bringing an assault rifle sets the wrong example. What if others take your lead, and bring guns, but they are crazy?
shoelessjoe2555: @420PATROCK What if someone who may not be as stable as you are, brings a gun, and when the police tell him that he has to move, he opens fire. The police will have to retaliate, and innocent people will get hurt. All of that, because one dumbass decided to bring an AK-47 to a protest. This isnt about protection, this is about attention. You cold have just as easily brought a concealed pistol, just in case and not told anyone, if it was just about protection. WAKE UP PEOPLE!!
420PATROCK: @shoelessjoe2555 YOUR FULL OF WHAT IFS! It’s because of ignorant people like you that people like me DIE! You have no clue! READ THE 1ST AMENDMENT! … PLEASE!!!!!!!!!!!! WHEN THAT IS VIOLATED.. you have the 2nd amendment.
420PATROCK: @shoelessjoe2555 Watch Occupy AZ. video. They have the right idea. Border Guard. Maybe you should educate yourself and participate in your state. Maybe get involved with the public or a Militia. You obviously have no clue what is going on. I bid you farewell sir.
ABGAN100: @shoelessjoe2555 If some one is unstable they are going to kill regardless of the law look a Andrew Brevick in Norway he dressed up as a police officer and then shot and killed nearly 80 people men women and children no one was able to oppose him because of Norway’s strict gun laws. If some one is intent on killing no law is going to stop them, and the police rarely arrive one time.
The concerns raised by the behavior of these individuals usually appears to us in this form, “Do you endorse, support, or agree with these statements or behaviors?” It also has been used in an attempt to discredit the Occupy movement. This is how the media plays them up, and how the state wants the question to be posed.
That it appears both as a personal question of endorsement, and, at the same time, a political question is not a coincidence. Since, we constitute both the media and the state, the latter only reflect our attitudes. In fact, the incidents resonate precisely because they induce a response from us — they are a provocation. Which is not to say they were consciously or deliberately done. Rather, the provocation is independent of the intention.
So, let’s make two sets of assumptions: in the first, the guy is a sincere believer in gun rights or a gun nut (depending on your leanings). And the woman is really an anti-Semite Jew-hater. In the second set of assumptions, both are plants designed to discredit the Occupy movement and to make people uncomfortable with it. It is an attempt to establish a narrative to create the conditions for marginalizing and crushing the Occupy movement.
I would argue either set of assumptions present all of us with the same options: political or direct. The political option is to respond to the provocation, irrespective of the intentions that are behind it, to “distance” the Occupy movement. The second option is that of association: refuse personally to associate with the individuals concerned.
The first option is appropriate to a political movement, and if the Occupations are to become merely political, that will do it. On the one hand will be all the people against guns or racism in any form. In the case of guns some will favor gun control, others will be responding to their fears, still others will have pacifist arguments. In the case of the woman’s anti-Semitic remarks, similar divisions will apply. Against both will be people who raise constitutional issues, or are themselves anti-Semitic or NRA members. Voting will be held, and, depending on the character of the voting process in each Occupy site, a resolution of consensus will pass or be defeated.
Whether or not the proposal passes to distance the Occupy movement from these disturbing behaviors the fact is the Occupy movement will be politicized and subjected to one after another of these sorts of things. Someone will always be able to say or do something provoking a demand for a collective response both within and without the Occupy site.
Of course, this sort of politicization of the Occupy movement, in fact, may be difficult or impossible to derail, since, in the present context of capitalist relations, we are entirely political animals. However, an argument should at least be made for why this process is neither inevitable or necessary.
The real question raised by the Occupy movement is whether voluntary association is to replace the state, i.e., “politics as usual”. While no proposal can constitute a definitive establishment of the Occupy as a merely political movement the possibility still exists that this is what it will become in the final analysis unless clearly opposed.
We need to be clear on one thing: association is not normal for us. It requires us to do stuff we are not used to doing: like making up our own mind about what is right and acting on this decision ourselves. Association requires each person to make her own decision on how to constitute her personal relationships and associations — there is no shortcut for this. There is no “one size fits all” approach to this process; it is by its nature empirical – the result of personal experiment and reflection. Gradually, I imagine, people learn how to establish those relations best suited to their own individual preferences.
I can’t say for sure that this is accurate, but it seems to be the only way it can happen. At least, I know of no other way.
The problem is that not just society, but each of us emerges from capitalist society with all the birthmarks of the previous epoch. Frankly, we are not nice people — we are greedy, selfish, hostile, antisocial; and we praise these vile attributes as virtues. People are going to be attracted to the Occupy movement with a range of anti-social attitudes and behaviors — not all of them as easily identifiable as a gun owner striding through the crowd; or, as bizarre as the proposal to run the Zionist jews out of the country.
What’s more, here is a big hint: if, by some luck of the draw, we actually do realize a stateless society, these same folks are not going to be magically transformed into model citizens of the commune — nor will pedophiles, rapists and serial murderers for that matter.
The Occupy movement has the potential to become what the Tea Party has become: just another political movement contending for power. And, it can become as successful as the Tea Party — in other words, not at all; just another voice in the cacophony of democracy
Or, there is a small possibility that it can become the “non-state” — society managing its own affairs directly and unmediated by politics. The deficiency of the Occupy movement is that most of the participants are entirely unaware of this other possibility. But, that is how shit works, unfortunately. The non-state is created out of the efforts of folks completely motivated by political ideology. They do it because they have no choice; because politics itself only starves them and defeats them.
However, since this is the nature of all politics presently, even the collapse of the Occupy movement into just another failed politcal movement will produce another associative movement of the same type in the future.


10:01 pm
Assume, for a moment, that she really is an egregious anti-Semite. What then should we do with her?
Okay, I give up. What DO we do with her? Let’s say you run into her at an occupation where she gets up on the soap box (or whatever you have there) and starts spouting off about running off the Zionist Jews. You do what?
11:37 pm
Turn my back to her and ignore her. Perhaps, snicker.
12:45 pm
In all cases, you fight more egregious excecises of free speech with more free speech.
If the “facts” she spouts are pure BS and she can’t make a rational argument about how she plans to deal with the “Zoinist Jews” without starting something akin to another Holocaust then her purely ideological speech is trumped by rational speech. In turn, her message is falls flat with most or all of the group and it becomes apparent to observers that her views are not representative of the whole with the more rational speech. However, on the same token, it is seen by observers that the group is inclusive and does not expel or shun her for not being in lock-step with the group by allowing her to speak her piece letting her voice be herd even though few are likely to adopt her views.
3:12 pm
I don’t support ‘gun control’ (unless it involves disarming cops or the military without targeting the general populace, which won’t ever happen) in any form, but I’m always amused by people who think that their guns will actually protect them against state tyranny. The state has the firepower to viciously steamroll entire cities with the push of a button – thinking that your puny rifle does anything to protect you from the state (or some random cop, even) is like pelting an armored tank with cotton balls & expecting to do some real damage.
However, given the fact that cops aren’t the only potential threat at an OWS camp, bringing along a weapon might not be a bad idea. If I were going to be sleeping in an unfamiliar setting with lots of unfamiliar people milling around, I’d definitely be armed in whatever manner I deemed necessary; and I’m not sure why self-defense measures need be framed as “nuttery”. When I make sure to bring my pocket knife along with me when I have to walk home alone at night, am I a “knife nut”?
6:00 pm
I understand where you are coming from with this post and I have a level of sympathy….but…occupies vary considerably from place to place – some have fairly solid politics, rooted in radical theory and with links to unions, progressive community orgs, anti-oppressive campaigners, with established and experienced activists providing support. Others are comprised of conspiracy theorists and racists disinterested and even hostile to other parts of the movement, surrounded by pissed off people who havent really been exposed to radical politics – other than that they see the corporate media all around them and knows that it tells lies.
In the first type you can accomodate difficult people – racists, misogynistss, homophobes, people with violent inclinations, people with personal issues, problems and illnesses. Safer spaces can be established and policies developed to minimise and manage risk – both to people, to the camp and to the wider movement. In the second, these people cannot be adequately managed – and indeed in some places can be encouraged – anti-semites latch on to the racist tripe being peddled by the conspiraloons, misogynists marginalise and abuse women, those with violent tendancies see a space with fluid boundaries and cross lines and people with issues simultaneously disrupt the camp absorbing its resources while being preyed upon by the bigger, the stronger and the more powerful.